I'll be liveblogging the GOP debate tonight at 9 PM EST.
9:01: Ok, almost time to rock and roll. The latest Florida polls seem to show McCain and Romney duking it out for the top spot with Romney closing the gap and in some polls pulling ahead, no doubt on the strength of Fred's supporters who have came over to his side. Giuliani is in third, which isn't good enough to keep his campaign going. Huckabee can survive a 4th place finish, but it will contribute to the sense that he's wounded and sinking.
So, big debate.
9:02: Oh boy, Ron Paul gets to eat up precious minutes. He doesn't have a chance to win overall and is at 4% in Florida.
9:04: Admittedly, I haven't looked at Mitt's plan or Bush's plan in detail yet, but Mitt is doing a good job of selling his plan. On the other hand, I don't support a stimulus plan at all.
9:05: Oh now, McCain wants to make the Bush tax cuts permanent. Well, better late than never I suppose. No pork barrel projects. Cut the corporate tax rate. Like it. Allowing people to expense new people and equipment. Sounds good. Encourage savings, good. Restrain spending. McCain did a good of playing to his strengths there.
9:08: Rudy, we need major tax cuts, we need to encourage businesses to stay here. Sarbanes Oxley is overblown. This is a real change from the Democrats, who philosophy is more taxes, the rich people screw everyone, yada, yada, yada.
9:09: Where did Russert get that quote from? If McCain said that, it sounds bad. On the other hand, McCain sounds good on this. His sober approach sounds good on this although he's fudging a bit on the tax cutter issue.
9:10: Good for Huckabee there, not taking the bait and beating on Romney. Huckabee is speaking out against the stimulus package. Who is being stimulating the most? Us or China? I like it. Mike on infrastructure. He has given a very different answer here than the other guys, but I do like his answer and building roads with American products isn't the worst idea I have heard.
9:13: Mitt doesn't take the bait and attack Rudy and McCain. Good for him...wait, now he takes a shot at McCain. Then, he plays to his resume, I am a private sector guy, good, good.
9:14: McCain I am sure the people who had to pay Mitt's fees looked at them at taxes. Now, McCain goes back to fiscal conservatism, where he's really strong. Also, it is true that McCain would restrain spending. I will stop the pork barrel spending, no more bridges to nowhere.
9:16: This is one of the reasons Ron Paul is such a lousy candidate. He gets a question that is perfect for him, right down his alley. Then, he's all over the map, he's on the war, he's ranting on monetary policy, and empire. It should have been an A+ answer for Ron Paul and he turned it into a D- because he is so incoherent.
9:19: The moment Rudy start talking about giving that check back, half the audience probably rolled their eyes because they have heard it already a half dozen times. I think that's a large part of why he has bombed over the last month and a half or so. He always sounds so, so, so stale.
9:21: McCain gives a good answer to a tough question. The Democrats will raise taxes, spending, won't deal with entitlements. McCain will veto every big spending bills, he will impose discipline. The Democrats want tax and tax, spend and spend, and elect and elect. McCain sounds good on this.
9:23: Huckabee. I wasn't there or we wouldn't have screwed this up. The only guy at the UN without a headset? Mike is talking about healthcare, fuel, schooling. Trickle up impact when the economy. Mike understands everybody, not just the folks at the top. I guarantee you that the average person, not a political junky, would love the answer Huckabee just gave and think he sounded more in touch.
9:27: Mitt -- When Republicans act like Democrats, we lose. I'm from outside of Washington. I will fix entitlements, immigration, etc. Mitt sounded great on that issue.
9:27: Rudy, Club for Growth likes my plan. Rudy has done this in a big economy.
9:28: Another magnificent question for Paul and again, he's sort of incoherent. Once he got beyond the part that focused on his record of being against spending and tax cuts, incoherent.
9:29: McCain: Every military leader, including Petraeus says we can sustain it in Iraq. We are succeeding in Iraq. It's not how long we're there, it's the casualties. Very true. I can't stand McCain, but the man radiates gravitas on spending on foreign policy.
9:31: Why would we need a draft to increase the size of the military? It was much bigger that it is today in the eighties. Mitt taking a shot at the Democrats, I like it. Mitt, the Democrats made it clear that getting out war more important than winning. That's wrong. Excellent Mitt! Mitt, we must be successful. It's outrageous that the Democrats are taking credit for success of the surge. General Hillary Clinton line was the best line of the debate tonight, so far.
9:34: I don't particularly like McCain beating up Rumsfeld, but it's a good political strategy. You attack Bush, people get angry. Rumsfeld, you can blame and get away with it.
9:35: Rudy slaps Hillary. I liked it.
9:36: Paul is just factually wrong. Al-Qaeda was in Iraq before we went in there.
9:36: Huckabee, we owe Bush not scorn, but thanks. When the President acted, the country was united. But, I hope we have the courage and resolve not to back away just because the polls say we should.
9:37: Mitt I supported it then, I support it now, but it wasn't well managed. Good answer for Mitt. He has done well tonight. The problem is, McCain is so strong on foreign policy and fiscal conservatism that it's hard for anyone else up there to match up to him. Yet, we're 38 minutes into an hour and half long debate and McCain hasn't really had to deal with his many, many, weaknesses.
9:41: Incidentally, you notice how much more serious and realistic the discussion is here on the economy and the war? The Democrats sound like children compared to these guys -- except for Ron Paul.
9:43: Every one of these questions better be for John McCain.
9:44: What a dumb question. It's not that tough and it's to Rudy, not McCain? What is Mitt thinking?
9:45: Ok answer from Rudy, he sounds fine, after he got done with the lame joke that he had to explain to everyone.
9:46: McCain's turn and he goes after Huckabee, not Romney? I am scratching my head. I can't complain about the question tho. Explain the fair tax, Huck.
9:47: One problem with making the Fair Tax a central part of your economic policy is that #1) It's extraordinarily difficult to explain #2) It's impossible to pass it. #3) It is not intuitive
Funny line about the pimps not being Republicans from Huck.
9:49: Ron Paul gets a question and he asks one for McCain. Good that somebody asked the guy something. What is this question?
What the hell has gone wrong with this question process? Great opportunities, all squandered.
9:51: Maybe it's because of Paul's speaking style or because I was typing, but I didn't understand exactly what Paul was talking about and judging by the filler response McCain gave, I am not sure he understands what Paul was talking about either.
9:53: Huckabee goes after Romney with the only semi-tough question of the bunch.
9:53: Mitt never sounds good when he's responding to being hit and this is no exception.
9:54: Now Rudy is going after Romney. Why does no one have a question for McCain? Well, Rudy is more of a sly dog than I thought. He is trying to dog out McCain and then give the question to Mitt. He's also asking a question that Floridians will care about, because it's a do or die state for him.
9:56: Mitt is tired of this question and moving on to health insurance. Rudy tries to pin him on mandates. My eyes are glazing over during this answer.
9:58: I am not sure if this answer is helping McCain in Florida, but I do at least like him shutting down a 200 billion dollar plan.
9:59: I am glad Rudy isn't a global warming alarmist and that he talked about nuclear and clean coal before he got down to the near useless crap, solar, wind, switchgrass, etc. Also, has to be done in a positive manner. We can't let India and China run wild while we kill our economy.
10:01: McCain's worships at the alter of the Goracle. If we are wrong, we hand our children a cleaner world -- and a lot more regulations, and a less vibrant economy, and a competitive disadvantage with other nations. Ugh!
10:06: Awww come on, these horse race questions are lame. That's not what they need to be debating.
10:07: Rudy: We're going to come from behind and win!'
10:07: The Republican party is going to have hold its nose and pick my son, John McCain. Good question! How can McCain unite the Party together behind him? McCain, conservatives only care about radical Islam and spending -- and no, we're not concerned about climate change. Since when is Israel a big Israel supporter? McCain has a conservative record. Pffft. Oh yes, that's what conservatives don't like about him: because he went after Abramhoff.
10:10: Mitt, Bill back in the White House with nothing today. Heh. Hillary is out of step with the American people. This is a good question for him and he is doing a good job of answering it. Hillary is exactly what's wrong in Washington. She's Washington to the core. !!! Very good. Mitt makes his pitch to the Reagan coalition. Very strong answer!
10:12: Mitt, I've raised more money than anyone else has. Raised more. Deft handling of the question by Mitt. Mitt, no one can say you owe me because I spent so much of my own money. I am concerned about the country so I am spending my own money. Mitt is on tonight. He displayed Huckabee like skill in turning that around.
10:14: Now Mitt gets a Mormon question. 44% say a Mormon can't unite the country. Mitt doesn't buy that people will vote against him because he's Mormon. People are unamerican who would vote against him for being a Mormon. Well, that stopped his momentum.
10:16: Ron Paul -- abolish Social Security! Ok. Paul doesn't want taxes on Social Security, but he wants to abolish it? There are old people gasping in horror and throwing away their Paul bumper stickers all across Florida right now.
10:18: Huck gets a laugh at Mitt's expense. And Huck's solution to the entitlement problem is the Fair Tax? Ehr...He wants to stick to the Fair Tax and that's his plan? Uh.
10:20: Here's the honest truth: we will end up raising the limit of Social Security because the Democrats won't agree to anything without doing that. No raise taxes, no anything else. Someone should have the courage to say that. Mitt's other suggestions are fine.
10:24: I approve on running ads in Spanish, but Rudy didn't do a great job of answering that question. On the Cuban question, Rudy's answer was eh...
10:25: Heh. They're asking about Norris saying he was too old. Huck makes it funny in his response. Huckabee says no, McCain isn't too old.
10:27: McCain -- I will send Sylvester Stallone to take out Chuck Norris. Laughs.
10:28: Rudy gets a great chance to slap the New York Times and doesn't get as good a line off as he could have.
10:29: Romney changes position with the wind. Yeah, true. He is the most disliked candidate of the group. It's because his campaign has been so negative. He runs negative ads constantly and they send negative releases on the other candidates from dusk until dawn. Again, Romney repeats his shtick. He is almost always weak when he's hit.
10:31: McCain's temper has been an issue for years. McCain gets a laugh. He is an incredibly thin skinned and cranky guy. McCain says some nice words about Rudy. Smart, because when Rudy goes out, his people will probably go right over to Rudy.
10:33: Huckabee always hammers question about his faith out of the ballpark and this is no exception. He's the Christian that they're going after because of his faith, but he'll stand up for his faith no matter what they say. Very good question.
10:34: Another third party question for Paul. They have asked him this a million times. Oh yeah, that's what people are saying: Those Ron Paul people believe too strictly in the Constitution and freedom so we don't like him. That's the problem. What a tool.
Summary: So-so debate. A little dull and the questions were a little bit lame.
Ron Paul (Loser): 40% decent answer, 60% rambling and crap as per usual.
Rudy Giuliani: The magic is gone. The confident, funny Rudy of the original debates is long gone.
Mike Huckabee: Huckbee has slipped in the last few debates. He's not terrible and he still gets off a few funny lines, but too much Fair tax stuff and he was just a touch off.
John McCain: Has a lot of gravitas on security issues and fiscal conservatism. Shows energy and has a nice way about him. I generally think his performance in these debates are underrated.
Mitt Romney (winner): Mitt was very good tonight. He got off the best lines, said a lot of things that were pleasing to the conservative ear, and fortunately he didn't get beaten up a lot (he's not very good on the defensive). This was a very good debate for Mitt Romney in a crucial debate, before what looks to be a very close Florida election.
There's a GOP debate?
Posted by sarahk
January 24, 2008 12:30 PM |
If either McCain, Giuliani or Huckabee gets the nomination, a more appropriate question may be, "There's a GOP?"
Posted by CavalierX
January 24, 2008 2:36 PM |
John thanks for doing this. I guess I'll watch but good grief the thought of staring at Overbite for an hour and half is pure torture. Or is he one of the moderaters? I don't even know.
Posted by jewells45
January 24, 2008 8:41 PM |
Ron Paul clearly was the winner of the debate.
Posted by DoubleU
January 24, 2008 8:57 PM |
McCain was against the tax cuts before he voted for them to be permanent. LOL.
Posted by jewells45
January 24, 2008 9:08 PM |
where is the debate, what channel?
Posted by Chris_RC
January 24, 2008 9:09 PM |
sorry, found it, MSNBC
Posted by Chris_RC
January 24, 2008 9:11 PM |
Romney should go after McCain when he can.
Posted by abel
January 24, 2008 9:11 PM |
McCain was against the tax cuts before he voted for them to be permanent. LOL.
Posted by jewells45
January 24, 2008 9:13 PM |
Huckabee sounds just like Hillary and Obama right now.Edwards too.
Posted by abel
January 24, 2008 9:25 PM |
Rudy sounds like a broken record.
Posted by jewells45
January 24, 2008 9:25 PM |
Geez, everytime I hear that "restrain or cut spenidng" line come our of a GOP candidate's mouth, I want to barf. Well Bosco, step to the plate like an adult and give us your suggested line item by line item cuts or shut up already.
Posted by hogground
January 24, 2008 9:25 PM |
Paul always starts out good but then something happens...
Posted by jewells45
January 24, 2008 9:29 PM |
McCain on his wedding day to first wife:
".....forsaking all others...in sickness and in health....so long as we both shall live."
Fast forwrd to McCain in tonight'sdebate:
"....restrain spending......"
Posted by hogground
January 24, 2008 9:35 PM |
What a crap question from Russert.
Posted by jewells45
January 24, 2008 9:37 PM |
Good for NBC for at least attempting to keep the Paulbots behaved during the debate
Posted by WSOwen02
January 24, 2008 9:42 PM |
Hmm...I generally agree with your comments, except I think McCain has looked very weak on the economic issues (the not-so-subtle reminder that he opposed Bush's tax plan)...
Romney has ruled on the economic issues by far.
Posted by bizblogger
January 24, 2008 9:44 PM |
Like the idea of getting rid of the IRS but Democrats will NEVER EVER EVER give that up. They would be willing to die for that institution.
Posted by WSOwen02
January 24, 2008 9:52 PM |
McCain on his wedding day to first wife:
"....forsaking all others....in sickness and in health....as long as we both shall live."
McCain in tonight's debate:
"..veto big spending bills....impose discipline.."
Posted by hogground
January 24, 2008 9:52 PM |
All of these guys are ducking the issue of how they'd pay for these tax cuts.
Posted by mrb
January 24, 2008 9:53 PM |
"Like the idea of getting rid of the IRS but Democrats will NEVER EVER EVER give that up. They would be willing to die for that institution.
Posted by WSOwen02
January 24, 2008 9:52 PM "
Getting rid of the IRS is a silly line. There will always be some agency making sure some sort of tax is properly collected. Call it the National Bureau of Taxation if you want, it still does the same thing.
Posted by mrb
January 24, 2008 9:56 PM |
Romney: The Second Amendment is an individual right, not a right of government. Ahh, good man.
Posted by CavalierX
January 24, 2008 9:56 PM |
All of these guys are ducking the issue of how they'd pay for these tax cuts.
Posted by mrb
Tax cuts incease government revenues. It is the spending that your liberal buddy's and our Rino's does that makes it look like it does'nt.
Posted by abel
January 24, 2008 9:57 PM |
All of these guys are ducking the issue of how they'd pay for these tax cuts.
Posted by mrb
Tax cuts increase government revenues. it isthe spending that your liberal buddie's and our Rino's do that makes it look like it does'nt.
Posted by abel
January 24, 2008 9:59 PM |
Here's the idiotic global warming crap.
Posted by jewells45
January 24, 2008 10:02 PM |
"Tax cuts incease government revenues. It is the spending that your liberal buddy's and our Rino's does that makes it look like it does'nt.
Posted by abel
January 24, 2008 9:57 PM "
Tax cuts do not automatically increase govt revenues, as even Mr. Laffer will tell you. Hence my question - how do you pay for these tax cuts. The baby boomers are retiring. Do you think that we are going to be paying LESS for Medicaid/Medicare over the next 20 years?
Posted by mrb
January 24, 2008 10:02 PM |
Giuliani on his weddings days to first and second wives: .....forsaking all others....as long as we both shall live."
Giuliani in tonight's debate:
"..promise...more promise...even more promise."
Posted by hogground
January 24, 2008 10:02 PM |
McCain on global warming:
"It's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge."
Posted by WSOwen02
January 24, 2008 10:04 PM |
Anyone else feel this debate has been a bit boring so far? Waiting to hear more questions about illegals and what they're going to do about the border. What about social security? Hopefully in this last segment....
Posted by evergreen_state
January 24, 2008 10:06 PM |
You don't pay for tax cuts; tax cuts increase revenue. Go look up the Laffer Curve while the grownups stay on topic and discuss the debate.
Posted by CavalierX
January 24, 2008 10:06 PM |
Tax cuts do not automatically increase govt revenues, as even Mr. Laffer will tell you. Hence my question - how do you pay for these tax cuts. The baby boomers are retiring. Do you think that we are going to be paying LESS for Medicaid/Medicare over the next 20 years?
Posted by mrb
Revenues to the government have increased every time taxes have beencut. The reason why the American people are suffering tryig to pay for the stuff you are talking about is exactly because of your liberal buddy's wasreful spending that has caused the american peoplr's taxes to increase so much that they have a hard time pying for the things you brought up. Cut off the wasteful spending and cut their taxes and they will be able to afford them things.
Posted by abel
January 24, 2008 10:06 PM |
What are you talking about? If you're going to criticize McCain, who I support, for anything, it's not wasteful spending. And given that it was a REPUBLICAN Congress and REPUBLICAN President who increased spending faster than at any period since LBJ (and that's non-defense spending) you should probably give up the "liberals spend too much" line.
Do you have any concept of what the cost of 78 million baby boomers is going to be?
Posted by mrb
January 24, 2008 10:10 PM |
Which McCain and Guiliani are the voters to believe? The ones who casually broke the most sacred vows they ever took in therir lives because they could not control their hormones or the ones who stand on stage and promise their consituents that they work hard to deliver economic miracles by cutting spending and cutting taxes?
Posted by hogground
January 24, 2008 10:10 PM |
What are you talking about? If you're going to criticize McCain, who I support, for anything, it's not wasteful spending. And given that it was a REPUBLICAN Congress and REPUBLICAN President who increased spending faster than at any period since LBJ (and that's non-defense spending) you should probably give up the "liberals spend too much" line.
Do you have any concept of what the cost of 78 million baby boomers is going to be?
Posted by mrb
I admitted we had Rino's but your liberal buddies went right along with it. Don't act like they are not to blame.
Posted by abel
January 24, 2008 10:13 PM |
Damn McAmnesty is sounding just like ManBearPig on the global warming or to be pc the climate change issue. Carbon credits my foot. Maybe he should go into business with Al Bore.
Posted by gfchicago
January 24, 2008 10:14 PM |
Romney did well with turning the "you're buying the Presidency" question around.
Posted by mrb
January 24, 2008 10:15 PM |
Mitt is kicking ass here!
Posted by evergreen_state
January 24, 2008 10:16 PM |
It's official. Huckabee is running for McCain's VP. The softball tax question from McCain, two attacks on Romney.
Posted by mrb
January 24, 2008 10:20 PM |
Mitt is the winner, no doubt. He handled Russert beautifully.
Posted by jewells45
January 24, 2008 10:22 PM |
"I admitted we had Rino's but your liberal buddies went right along with it. Don't act like they are not to blame.
Posted by abel
January 24, 2008 10:13 PM "
I don't know who you're talking about. I've only voted for one Dem on a national level in my life. You had some RINOs? It was the whole party and the leader of the party? At what point does the majority quit being RINOs and become Republicans?
Posted by mrb
January 24, 2008 10:23 PM |
Posted by hogground
January 24, 2008 10:10 PM |
By your beliefs Bill Clinton will go to Hell for sex outside of his marriage, eh hogg?
Posted by Dick_Nixon
January 24, 2008 10:24 PM |
We know Huckabee can get job writing for Leno or Letterman after he drops out in a couple weeks.
Posted by evergreen_state
January 24, 2008 10:28 PM |
I don't know who you're talking about. I've only voted for one Dem on a national level in my life. You had some RINOs? It was the whole party and the leader of the party? At what point does the majority quit being RINOs and become Republicans?
Posted by mrb
My bad. You come off as a liberal when you make a statement like that. Liberals say too How are you going to pay for tax cuts?I'm glad you are a Republican hoping RINO'S will be republicans.And I wish I knew when.
Posted by abel
January 24, 2008 10:29 PM |
We've well established that mrb is a Liberal supporting -- or pretending to support -- McCain because McCain's basically a Democrat who can be manipulated by the media. Don't worry about offending him.
Posted by CavalierX
January 24, 2008 10:32 PM |
Once again, Ron Paul accuses the United States of "starting wars," completely forgetting that we were attacked. Was he asleep on 9/11, perhaps?
Posted by CavalierX
January 24, 2008 10:36 PM |
Romney did well in this debate.
Posted by abel
January 24, 2008 10:39 PM |
True, you don't need to worry about offending me. I don't have Cav's delicate sensibilities.
Posted by mrb
January 24, 2008 10:39 PM |
My first thought watching the debate was how far superior ANY of these candidates would be to ANY of the Democrats.
I am voting for Romney in the FL primary. But I will say that Huckabee had a very strong debate and impressed me with all of his answers. His identity politics and bleeding heart turn me off, but he is a good advocate for consumers, gun owners, and tax reformers.
Posted by ashleymatt
January 24, 2008 10:49 PM |