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December 12, 2007
Liveblogging the Debate

I'll be liveblogging today's debate starting at 2 PM EST. You can watch the debate on Fox and you should check it out if you have the opportunity because this will be the last one before the Iowa primary.

2:01: A debate run by the Des Moines register. Isn't it almost a given that it will better and more professional than the last debate run by CNN?

2:03: Alan Keyes is participating in this debate, which should be an experience. He's an excellent speaker (I have seen him talk in person, way back in the day), but his style tends to be over-the-top for something like this.

2:04: Everybody gets to talks fiscal conservatism here, which they'll love.

2:05: Rudy's answer wasn't splashy, but was pretty decent except for the fact that he didn't mention entitlements, which are the real killers.

2:06: This should be Ron Paul's time to shine if he can restrain himself from getting into other areas. Good answer from Ron, which is something I rarely say.

2:07: Tanc's answer was sort of so-so.

2:08: Fred hit entitlements. Nice, but not splashy.

2:09: Being able to watch the focus group numbers while they talk is pretty neat. I like that feature, which I'm getting on Fox.

2:09: Decent answer from Mitt.

2:10: Huckabee's answer is mildly disturbing because it suggests he wants to make us self-sufficient.

2:10: McCain will make us oil independent in 5 years? That's complete and utter bunk.

2:11: Keyes toned down a bit. Ok. Answer.

2:12: 10% cuts across the board except for the military, I love it, Rudy. Good answer from Rudy.

2:13: Ron Paul says it's unnecesary to sacrifice to balance the budget? Please. And the foreign empire crack? Ugh.

2:14: It really isn't the business of the Federal Government to nag people to be healthy. Two weak answers in a row from Huckabee.

2:15: Mitt's answer isn't as meaty as I'd like, but he sounds good tonight so far. Nice energy.

2:16: Saying "follow the Constitution" sounds good, but how do you implement that when much of the other politicians and the people want them anyway. Social Security and Medicare are great examples.

2:18: Fred is so right about Social Security and Medicare. I like his answer. Bam. No, Warren Buffet, we can't take care of their medicare.

2:18: Now, we give the candidates get a chance to lie about the poor and middle class being overtaxed as compared to the rich.

2:19: Alan got a little off the beaten track there.

2:20: McCain, good answer.

2:20: Fair tax, which Huckabee is relentlessly flogging, is unpassable. So, why talk it up so much?

2:20 Mitt gives the politically correct answer.

2:21: Fred gets the first funny line of the debate off tonight. He's doing really well.

2:21: Wow, this is a machine gun fast debate. It's issues, issues, issues, and fast. Much better run than CNN.

2:21: Tanc and Paul's answers were weak.

2:22: Good answer from Duncan, who talked about flattening the code in addition to the fair tax. I favor flattening the code.

2:23: Rudy, pretty good answer, too.

2:23: Wow, they're letting them make a pitch? That's a nice feature, too.

2:23: McCain's statement sounded ok, left me a little cold.

2:24: Duncan's statement sounded really good.

2:25: Weak answer from Ron Paul.

2:25: Mitt is wise to emphasize his time in the private sector. Makes him sound good. Renegotiate China trade deal. Good deal. America can compete anywhere and we must to remain a super power. Good answer from Mitt.

2:26: Too much litagation from Huckabee. So true.

2:27: McCain is a huge free trader who wants to open markets. Good answer.

2:28: NAFTA from Rudy. Rudy loves and defends it. Good. We do want to embrace a global market. How much can we sell to these people as they come out of poverty. Very good answer from Rudy.

2:29: Fred Thompson: Mexico better think about criticizing us when they realize how good NAFTA has been for them. Too many people close their markets to us. We can't stand for that. Really good answer.

2:30: Tanc. NAFTA sux0rs. Don't agree.

2:30: I love Duncan, but this is the one area where we disagree the most, although he is right about us not working hard enough to get good business deals.

2:31: Ron Paul is screwing this up. He should be talking resume instead of going on another rant. I am Ron Paul, a former doctor and I served in the military, yada, yada. He wasted his opportunity.

2:32: Fred is looking fired up tonight. I guess he figures it's now or never.

2:32: Fred ain't doing any hand shows. Fred isn't answering without giving details. I love it. That's his second good moment of the debate.

2:33: McCain is a little scary on this issue. He's an alarmist. His answer is lame. We'll spend billions and kill jobs with new regulations and it won't hurt anything. Right.

2:34: Giuliani wants energy independence? We're not nearly close to being able to do it.

2:35: Mitt doesn't want to buy oil from foreigners. Makes sense, hard to do. Let's not put a burden on us alone! Good answer from Mitt.

2:36: What is Alan talking about? Total dodge and totally off topic. He is bombing. No wonder he got killed by Barack Obama in his election.

2:36: Fred gets off a funny response at Keyes expense.

2:37: Who said Doctor Heal Thyself? Funny.

2:37: Huckabee is another global warming alarmist. Spend lots of money, create lots of regulations, and there's nothing for us to lose! Wrong.

2:38 Rankings so far.

Thompson
Romney
Giuliani
McCain
Hunter
Tancredo
Huckabee
Paul
Keyes

2:39: The government knows the right amount of mandate to impose on the country. He trusts the market more than he trusts the government. Good answer from Tanc.

2:40: You can tell that Tanc isn't serious candidate because 7 of the 9 candidates now basically have the same position as he does, and yet it's still the primary focus of his campaign.

2:41: Huckabee's answer is a little flat.

2:42: This debate is so fast and well organized compared to the others that it's difficult to liveblog. The answers are so quick, just machine gun style, that you don't have time to write much.

2:43: McCain gave a decent answer on education.

2:43: Giuliani wants to empower parents on education. I love that. Higher education is best in the world because it's based on choice. Really good answer for Rudy.

2:44: Duncan's answer is a little too detailed. There are only so many wonderful teachers.

2:45: Mitt -- the President was right to fight for No Child Left Behind. Our kids need to spend English. We give out degrees. Higher pay for good teachers. If he means merit pay, I am with him. We rocked in my state on education. Really good answer.

2:47: Huckabee has been really flat tonight. Maybe because it's so fast and the format is tough on him.

2:48: Ok, we really, really, need art in schools. Ehr...OK.

2:48: I bet they're wishing they didn't invite Alan Keyes tonight after that dumb display. Ugh. What a clown.

2:50: The good news for Ron Paul tonight: He won't be giving the worst performance for once.

2:51: Ok, tax credits for teachers, encourage private school, home schooling. Good answer on education.

2:51: Bam! Fred slaps the teacher's union! Rock on! They bring in millions to fight choice. Inner city people need a chance to have choice. Let's give choice to everyone. Another really good answer.

2:52: Tanc talks about cutting staff, which is good, and slaps Huckabee hard at the end. Pretty good.

2:54: The 2nd most important job of the President is to be the Communicator and chief? Ehr...

2:55: Mitt is sounding great on education tonight. This is a good debate for him.

2:55: Rudy, major tax reduction, protect from terrorism, end illegal immigration, work towards energy independence. Off the charts on the Fred Luntz focus group data.

2:57: Duncan. Strengthen the border, build the military, bring back the industrial base of the US.

2:57: End the war, become diplomatically credible, no threatening people, -- everyone hates this answer, me included.

2:58: Tanc -- free Ramos and compean. Illegal immigration. War against radical Islam. He will lead in that clash. Good answer for Tanc.

2:59: Judges can't set out social policy. Not bad answer from Fred, but he didn't do action items.

3:00: Mitt strong answer.

3:01: The first priority of the next president, according the Huckabee, is to bring everyone together. I don't know. We do need to cooperate more but, very so-so answer.

3:01: McCain -- fix spending, fix borders, fix medicare and social security. Restore confidence. So-so answer by McCain, too.

3:02: Alan Keyes, fair tax, abolish the income tax, national border guard. Weird speaking style. He's such a waste of time.

3:04: Mitt didn't do much with his time. Neither did Keyes for that matter, but that's to be expected.

3:05: Rudy is for bold leadership. He's optimistic. He was mayor of New York. Ok, eh...So-So.

3:06: Video interviews? This is a little different.

3:07: Now, they're going for the jugular. Rudy, I didn't do anything wrong when we ferried my mistress around! They all knew I had a mistress! Ugh. It's all old news (sounds like the Clintons).

3:09: Alan Keyes is taking a shot at Romney & Giuliani? That's too funny. Like if he can get them out of the way, the nomination is his for the taking.

3:10: Mitt, I am now pro-life! What about your immigration flip-flop Mitt?

3:11: Rudy's pro-abortion and it's a position of conscience for him. Ugh!

3:12: Fred's answer on the NIE is a little better than so-so.

3:12: Back to videos. I wonder if the candidates knew which ones would be used or if they just clipped something out of a long discussion.

3:13: Oh boy, now we're getting pastor Mike again and he didn't really answer the question. He hasn't completely crashed and burned, but he hasn't done very well.

3:15: Mitt, we've got to pull together the whole coalition. Social, fiscal, and foreign policy. I want them all. Good answer.

3:16: Duncan -- we're got to be social conservatives and fiscal conservatives. The person they need to ask this to is Rudy Giuliani. Oh -- and Mitt's company is doing business with Saddam and the Taliban. Shot at Mitt. Sort of a surprise there.

3:19: 5 sentences on Iraq on Tanc's website? Ouch! Iraq is a battle in the war on terrorism, but it's a hell of an important battle.

3:19: Did someone use the words Ron Paul and political reality in the same sentence? Isn't there a law against that or something? Awful answer from Paul.

3:20: Give us an example of when you compromised on your ideals! I've never done that. Piffle. Anyone in the Senate has done that. Lame question by the way. John, you are soooooo principled. Has that been problematic for you -- basically.

3:22: A New Year's Resolutions for your opponent. Good question, but no one is taking the bait -- until Tanc. Who basically got cut off and lost his train of thought. They were smart not to get into a bash fest.

Summary: This was a very well run, very serious, debate. CNN should ask these people how to run a debate.

Winner: Fred Thompson. Good substance, good personality, and his I won't raise my hand for an answer question reminded me of Reagan say "I paid for this microphone." Fred definitely won.

Top Tier Loser: Mike Huckabee. The fast format appeared to take him off of his game. He was very flat.

Rankings from bottom to top.

Alan Keyes: Came off as mildly nuts.
Ron Paul: Probably happy Keyes was there to make him look more reasonable.
Mike Huckabee: Very flat.
Duncan Hunter: He did Ok.
Tom Tancredo: He gets better every debate.
John McCain: Very average performance from a guy who usually does better.
Rudy Giuliani: Solid, but not spectacular.
Mitt Romney: He got back on his game without the frequent attacks.
Fred Thompson: His best performance yet.

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Comments (49)

Why oh why oh why is Alan Keyes being allowed to participate? We don't have enough people on stage already?

Anybody know if there will be a streaming broadcast of these debates anywhere? Please post a link if you have it. I'd like to listen in but will be chained to my desk this afternoon.

Let's get to it already. What is there left to debate about?

I really have to question the wisdom of letting Ruth Bader Ginsburg moderate this debate.

Anybody know if there will be a streaming broadcast of these debates anywhere? Please post a link if you have it. I'd like to listen in but will be chained to my desk this afternoon.

http://www.iptv.org/campaign08/

No glasses this time for Rudy? Makes him look younger, I guess.

Am I gonna be the only one live-commenting on the debate, again?

Duncan Hunter always makes so much sense on the trade deficit. It's one issue I like him on.

Ron Paul thinks we spend too much, print too much, borrow too much, buy too much. Why not just say we have too much country?

I love how everyone takes this first question in the direction of whatever their personal pet issues are. Hunter talks about China, Paul about monetary policy, Thompson about entitlements, etc..

The "moderate" line on the Frank Luntz focus group tracker just went through the floor when Paul started talking. I like it.

"Ron Paul thinks we spend too much, print too much, borrow too much, buy too much. Why not just say we have too much country?"

The terrorists will take care of that after he cuts military, law enforcement, and intelligence spending.

Is this debate trying to be boring? You're off to a bad start when you announce from the outset that you won't be discussing the two biggest issues of the campaign (Iraq and immigration). There IS significant difference between the candidates on those issues, and they'll be the biggest issues come November against the Democrats. To ignore them is to 1) bore me to tears, and 2) make the debate seem trivial and niche-driven, limiting the appeal of the candidates.

Way to put the last debate on at 2 PM on a Wednesday, Fox. Believe it or not, people might want to...you know...watch it.

Question #2 is great! What sacrifices are needed in order to get spending under control.

Rudy: Sort of a 'blah' answer.

Ron Paul: "Sacrifice? What sacrifice? We don't need no stinking sacrafice!" Ron Paul was so much better at addressing these kinds of questions before he ran for President.

Huckabee: "Healthcare." What?

Mitt: "Make things more efficent." That's a great idea, but it doesn't speak to the fact that the government is doing things it has no business doing.

Tanc: "Read the Constitutation." Bingo!

Thompson: Address entitlements, yes, but I'd also like to hear about what else you are willing to cut.

Huckabee: "The rich people aren't gonna be made poor, but the poor people are gonna be made rich."

That's not only impossible, that makes no sense.

I think Thompson just kicked Romney in the balls!

Yeah, Fred is in the zone today.

Oh no, Paul mentions lifting the embargo. That will go over well with Republicans.

This debate sucks. 30 second answers make for campaign slogans, not substance. Why in the name of Lou Brock do we need to limit answers to 30 seconds when we're not talking about Iraq and/or immigration at all? Shouldn't the purpose of excluding those issues and supposedly focusing on what Iowans care about most be to get the most in depth discussion of those areas?

Ha, McCain wants to cut ethanol subs. He says this is a debate. In Iowa.

I missed part of what McCain just said... did he just advocate doing away with farm subsidies? IF so, John McCAin is on his way to being my favorite candidate.

Posted by D-Vega
December 12, 2007 2:29 PM

Hey, at least he can't be accused of pandering to the home crowd, right?

I am loving me a Fred Thompson today. He just summed up the election in one neat sentence.

Go Fred!!!!!!!

Homerun!

Paul: "The Constitution is now used to restrain the people."

No, it's not. That's retarded. The Constitution doesn't have any constraints on the people, and hasn't been interpreted that way. At worst, it allows the government to do some things you don't like. That's hardly the same thing.


Holy fucking shit, Fred just sat on her nuts. WAY TO GO, DUDE. No handshows, bitch!

Then everybody starts talking over everybody.

Fred's smackin' 'em around a bit tonight. Fun!

Keyes is quote the madman. Who let him out of his cell?

Hey, Mike_M, how's Fred looking to you so far?

Wow, this moderator is a bitch.

Maybe it's just because I've soured on him now that he's threatening my man Mitt, but Huckabee seems really flat in this debate. No big errors, mostly because the moderator bitch won't let them discuss anything of substance, but really boring and not as well-spoken as previous debates.

Tancredo is a little nutty too. But he's calmer than usual.

"Unlimited immigration for the last 45 years" is not a true statement.

Posted by D-Vega
December 12, 2007 2:38 PM |

As somebody who generally likes Ron Paul, I am glad Keyes showed up so that there is finally somebody who looks more rediculous than Paul in these debates.

They all seem kinda flat except Fred and Keyes...I think he may have just replaced Paul as king nutcase.

Would have liked to have seen the Luntz tracker when Fred shot down the handshows question. Bet it went through the roof. That was a "Jon Stewart on Crossfire" moment.

And Rudy with the "decider" reference.

Posted by President_Friedman
December 12, 2007 2:43 PM

LOL. That's a tall order, but they seem to have found the right guy for the job!

Romney did really well on the education question, even though I disagree with him about having more federal involvement.

Huckabee: "Unleash weapons of mass instruction."

No more cutesy lines, please. We're well in the red here.

Alan Keyes = asshole.

The problem in education is that we allowed judges to drive God out of our schools? What? This dude is the consumate blowhard, and he sounds more than a little off his rocker.

And yes, going to Ron Paul immediately after Keyes' meltdown did succeed in making Paul look sane, calculated, and pragmatic. Oh jesus.

Keyes is a dick. Plain & simple. It's as if he doesn't care if no one else is in the room. He likes the sound of his own voice. Why is he allowed in this debate?

Way to go Ron Paul. "Republicans used to be for doing away with the federal Dept of Education. We get elected to power and what do we do? Double its size."

Well put.

Whoa... Tanc just took Huckabee down a few notches. I think I spotted some blood on the stage.

Huckabee: "Unleash weapons of mass instruction."

Dude, don't rip off Rush Limbaugh, especially on Fox.

Huckabee: "Communicator in Chief."

STOP WITH THE PUNS! I WANNA KICK YOU IN THE BALLS!

The Luntz graph really loves Mitt today.

Oh hey, John McCain's at this debate. I'd forgotten.

Next Keyes meltdown in 3, 2, 1...

Whoops, there it is.

Praise be to Allah for streaming video...

Fred is finally sounding like someone running for President.

McCain and Rudy are looking strong too.

Huckabee is really damaging himself here, terrible preformance.

Huckabee's answer about 'bringing people together' is a great example of what it is I can't stand about him. There is an ideological battle going on in America and Huckabee isn't any more likely to mediate a peace between conservatives and liberals than Jimmy Carter is likely to mediate pecae between Palestine and Isreal. It's a nice sentiment, but it's ulitmately hollow. At the end of the day, one ideology must win out. That's how it gets solved.

"Posted by President_Friedman

Here here.

"Governor Romney, would you like to respond [to Alan Keyes]?"

(perplexed voice) "I'm not sure..."

Nice work. Makes Keyes look like a loon and puts the issue to rest.

Huckabee is just slathering the religious references all over the stage today. He's busting his ass for that evangelical vote, but he's overdoing it, and it doesn't look good. If people here at RWN are getting tired of it 11 months out, imagine how thin it would wear on independents in the general election. He'd be toast.

"Hey, Mike_M, how's Fred looking to you so far?"

Posted in the other thread...much better. He's finally showing some life and the determination to go to bat for his ideas.

One debate won't get him my vote but it elevates him in a big way.

"One debate won't get him my vote but it elevates him in a big way."

Fair enough! For what its worth, I'm elated to finally see a fired-up Fred Thompson.

That was a perfectly horrendous format and a waste of time, largely. Huckabee wins, not because he did particularly well (he didn't) but because he went into the debate ahead in Iowa and the moderator didn't let anyone touch him. She didn't let anyone touch anyone. No wounds = no loss of ground for him.

McCain and Giuliani were non-factors. Again, no wounds, but... were they there?

Tremendous performances by Thompson and Romney. Thompson had the key moment where he refused to play trained monkey for the ludicrous format, and he had a number of funny lines and personable instances that made him look almost grandfatherly and wise (you know, the way John McCain strains to appear). Romney benefited from the format, avoiding personal spats and messy back-and-forths. This debate emphasized substance, particularly on economic issues, which is where he excels beyond the rest of the field. Sounded very Presidential. He needed a clutch hit, and he got it. I've been saying for a while that Thompson is DOA in this race, but I'd still love to see the nomination come down to the Thompson v. Romney rivalry people were predicting back in the summer.

Luntz group loves Romney, Fred's F-you moment to the moderator, and thinks Huckabee bombed.

This debate solidifies my vote for Fred Thompson. I've liked him on his principles, but I was looking for him to start acting like the President I want to vote for. He looks fired up, so I think he's about to take some steam away from Huck.

Agree with the summary. Fred and Romney gained. Rudy and McCain held. Huckabee and Paul tanked. Tanc and Hunter were non-factors. Keyes would have been better off not to show up and hope for confusing butterfly ballots to gain votes.


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