Have you heard about the latest "controversy" involving Rush Limbaugh that has been made up from scratch by Media Matters and relentlessly promoted by the left side of the blogosphere?
Well, no worries, I'll tell you all about it.
Here's what Media Matters is claiming Rush Limbaugh said, Limbaugh: Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are "phony soldiers."
Now, you might actually conclude from reading that headline that Rush Limbaugh said that, Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are "phony soldiers."
Actually, he didn't.
Once again, here's the headline, from Media Matters,
Limbaugh: Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are "phony soldiers."
Now, here's what Rush Limbaugh actually said, during a conversation with a caller,
LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people....
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
...
LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --
...
LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.
So yes, Rush did say the words "phony soldiers," but you can't point out where Rush Limbaugh said or implied that, Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are "phony soldiers."
Now, here's Rush and the caller...
LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --
CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah.
LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.
Again, as you've seen, you can see that Rush Limbaugh didn't say that, Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are "phony soldiers."
Additionally, while he did mention phony soldiers, the reference was a bit ambiguous. However, it seems likely that he was referring to liberals like Jessie McBeth & Micah Wright, who made up wild stories out of whole cloth about the war.
Unfortunately, because there is less honesty on the left side of the blogosphere than you'll find at the average minimum security prison, liberal bloggers simply parrot what Media Matters says on stories like this instead of having enough integrity to point out that they're deliberately lying about what Limbaugh said.
PS: If you want to know why the internet has such a reputation for being unreliable, stories like this one that are pushed by habitually dishonest liberal organizations like Media Matters have a lot to do with it....well, that and all the kook sites that claim George Bush was told to fly planes into the WTC by the Illuminati so that they could further their mutual goal of secretly merging the US, Canada, and Mexico.
RWN reader Johnny Dollar sent me an email in response to this post saying,
"Well, it was selectively edited anyhow. You don't have to infer, or guess, what was meant by "phony soldiers". Look at the complete
transcript...Now see what Rush said right after that call ended.
Why do you suppose Media Matters left that part out?
Bingo. Media Matters lies again."
He's spot-on. From the transcript,
RUSH: The phony soldiers.CALLER: Phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country.
RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq.
CALLER: A lot of people.
RUSH: You know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you sign up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan, or somewhere.
CALLER: Exactly, sir. My other comment, my original comment, was a retort to Jill about the fact we didn't find any weapons of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in chemical agents that terrorists have been using against us for a while now. I've done two tours in Iraq, I just got back in June, and there are many instances of insurgents not knowing what they're using in their IEDs. They're using mustard artillery rounds, VX artillery rounds in their IEDs. Because they didn't know what they were using, they didn't do it right, and so it didn't really hurt anybody. But those munitions are over there. It's a huge desert. If they bury it somewhere, we're never going to find it.
RUSH: Well, that's a moot point for me right now.
CALLER: Right.
RUSH: The weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We're there. We all know they were there, and Mahmoud even admitted it in one of his speeches here talking about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on his own people. But that's moot. What's more important is all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge working, and all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out of there, which means that success on the part of you and your colleagues over there is a great threat to them. It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.
Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse Macbeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse Macbeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque."
Now, recently, Jesse Macbeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse Macbeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse Macbeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse Macbeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.
Why did media matters leave that part of the transcipt out, a part that makes it crystal clear that when Rush Limbaugh was talking about phony soldiers, he meant people like Jesse Macbeth?
For no other reason that because they habitually, deliberately lie about conservatives. Media Matters is two steps up from the Weekly World News on the credibility scale and quite frankly, most of the netroots isn't much better.
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Posted by piniella
2007-09-28 06:03:05
Media Matters.
From Discover the Network:
"Media Matters has not always been forthcoming about its high-profile backers. In particular, the group has long labored to obscure any financial ties to George Soros. But in March 2003, the Cybercast News Service (CNS) detailed the copious links between Media Matters and several Soros "affiliates"—among them MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress, and Peter Lewis. Confronted with this story, a spokesman for the organization explained that "Media Matters for America has never received funding directly from George Soros" (emphasis added), a transparent evasion.
Nor were groups cited by CNS the only connection between Media Matters and Soros. As investigative journalist Byron York has noted, another Soros affiliate that bankrolled Media Matters was the New Democratic Network. In addition, Soros is reported to be involved in the newly formed Democracy Alliance, a partnership of some 80 affluent financiers who each have vowed to contribute $1 million or more in order to build up an ideological infrastructure of leftist thinks tanks and advocacy groups. News reports list Media Matters as a main beneficiary of the Alliance's funding. By August of 2004, Media Matters' operating budget had already doubled to $4 million.
To summarize, Soros and his Open Society Institute pour millions of dollars into the coffers of MoveOn, the Center for American Progress, and Democracy Alliance. In turn, these organizations funnel some of that money to Media Matters."
http://www.discoverthenetworks...ofile.asp?grpid=7150
Just another Soros funded front/hit group, another tentacle on the octupus.
Posted by n_obrain
2007-09-28 06:56:46
If you are going to troll around here, you need to brush up on your technique.
Posted by Don_cos
2007-09-28 07:13:42
First Bill O'Reilly and now Rush. Hannity will be next, I'm sure.
Smear campaigns. Great. If you can't change the people's minds with a civil debate, then just try to shut down the other side's voices.
If they are so right, what are they so afraid of?
Posted by Rightwingsparkle
2007-09-28 07:28:51
You mean Mike "Cut and Run" from Chicago? The one who claimed to be a republican by saying he is not a democrat in order to validate?
"I used to be military" Rush didn't believe him, or he would have thanked him for his service. This person was never in the military.
Posted by gaemes
2007-09-28 07:42:25
September 28, 2007 7:54 AM |
lol, you're so stupid its funny....
anyway back on topic, Rush and caller 2 were completely correct in calling these people phony soldiers, it describes them perfectly.
Posted by Ipwnallah
2007-09-28 08:01:02
Posted by whatwouldJesusdo
September 28, 2007 7:54 AM |"
I agree.
Reactionary leftist are nothing but a pack of serial liars, trying to control the narrative. No tactic is too shameful, too outrageous, too despicable if it advances the cause.
Posted by n_obrain
2007-09-28 08:02:19
September 28, 2007 8:13 AM |
Your post got deleted because you attacked Mr. Hawkins, and frankly your post showed just how completely insignificant you are.
Posted by Ipwnallah
2007-09-28 08:15:58
Posted by whatwouldJesusdo
2007-09-28 08:21:34
September 28, 2007 8:21 AM
Nice deflection attempt.
Anywhoo, back to the actual topic of discussion:
A liberal media group attempting to besmirch Rush? Heh. That's about as surprising as saying 'rain is wet'.
Posted by Good_Ol_Boy
2007-09-28 08:32:26
Posted by Don_cos
2007-09-28 08:34:26
September 28, 2007 8:21 AM |"
I find your username offensive.
Posted by n_obrain
2007-09-28 08:34:46
September 28, 2007 8:38 AM |
Do you have one iota of compassion or genuine concern for a fellow human being?
I don't think you do. I believe you are filled with rage and hate. Unfortunate, because you will go through your life a miserable person...rotten to the core.
You add nothing to the conversation. You add nothing of substance to anything. You are by all definitions of the word - insignificant. You have no authority to shame people and to judge them.
Posted by Ipwnallah
2007-09-28 09:05:31
please leave Patrick Kennedy out of this.
Posted by Dick_Nixon
2007-09-28 09:09:05
And WWJD, you can hurl barbs all you want about Rush's painkiller problem, but ponder this. No man is perfect, and I doubt Rush would claim to be so. Beyond that, if he did have a problem with painkillers, he's apparently conquered it. And even if he hasn't, he's not a crack-smoking parasite sitting in the ghetto and living on the dole. Instead, he's made a name for himself and contributes to society with his livelihood, supporting himself rather than being on the dole and paying taxes, rather than leeching them.
Attacking someone's foibles because you disagree with their viewpoint is, to me, an indicator that your ammunition stockpile is dangerously low.
Oh, and by the way... what Jesus would do is forgive Rush his faults and look beyond them. It's not my place to judge, but I suspect you neither know nor care what Jesus would do, and chose your handle only to inflame and annoy. The funny thing is, your words and attitude do that quite well on their own.
Posted by Tzimisce
2007-09-28 09:09:47
LOL. I don't even listen to his program.
Still, none of that detracts from the fact that MM deliberately misrepresented what was said. They took two words, completely out of context I might add, from the dialogue and deceitfully attempted to depict it as an attack on the troops.
That is disgraceful.
Posted by Good_Ol_Boy
2007-09-28 09:21:20
Every one knows he did. I know this guy, whose brother got $453,423,452,345,234 from Bill Gates by forwarding the Pepsi/Microsoft tracking email to all his friends.
I mean, if that's not proof, then what is!
Posted by michaelalan
2007-09-28 09:24:36
I knew Rush was going to catch some slack for saying what he did. To a dishonest person what he said would have sounded like he was saying that soldiers who spoke out against the war was funny. Anyone with common sense who kept listening knew he was talking about "solders" like Macbeth.
Posted by bodacious
2007-09-28 09:39:16
A little early for a meltdown isn't it?
Posted by Glibertarian
2007-09-28 09:51:12
Posted by DoubleU
2007-09-28 13:18:17
Joined?
Posted by jimg
2007-09-28 13:24:53
Another example of Rush's idea of a phony...Paul Hackett joined "to pad his resume"; he was a "staff puke" simply because he came back and opposed the war.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...lls-ira_n_66333.html
Posted by watershed
2007-09-28 14:24:04
September 28, 2007 2:24 PM
The audio link is filtered out so I'll have to listen to it later.
I'll be happy to denounce Limbaugh once you're willing to denounce Murtha for his intentional slander of the Marines in Haditha. Interesting, all the "outraged" libs on this thread haven't denounced Murtha once nor called for his resignation.
Posted by Kingfisher
2007-09-28 14:28:44
LMAO. Ok, so you can honestly read the MM headline (Limbaugh: Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are "phony soldiers.") and then read the transcript of the actual conversation as it is presented in this article and still NOT discern a deliberate lack of context?
If you cannot, then we have nothing further to discuss as you are obviously blinded by your hatred of Mr. Limbaugh.
Posted by Good_Ol_Boy
2007-09-28 14:35:53
Posted by Glibertarian
September 28, 2007 9:51 AM |
It gives that appearance when selected post are deleted. Here is one more you can delete, I will leave you to your echo chamber of half truths and innuendos John. It is pathetic and cowardice to delete comments which directly contradict the statements in your article, but with the name RWN I guess one could expect that behavior.
Posted by whatwouldJesusdo
2007-09-28 14:46:10
Posted by whatwouldJesusdo
You are free to leave if you are so offended. But, being a liar and a fucking coward yourself, it is natural that you hide behind your lies and try to deflect the problem on to other people.
You won't leave because you have a chip on your shoulder that is constantly knocked off by people on this site. Feel free to stay on and continue to embarrass yourself.
Posted by Kingfisher
2007-09-28 14:50:29
I will call your bluff. I think condemnation of ALL badmouthing of the troops is in order. I am not holding water for ANYONE who does so.
Your turn.
Posted by watershed
2007-09-28 14:54:58
If you cannot, then we have nothing further to discuss as you are obviously blinded by your hatred of Mr. Limbaugh."
The context is there. He refers to the "they" who joined to fight in Iraq, as opposed to those who joined to... what, exactly?
You can refuse to discuss anything you wish that you disagree with, that's of course your prerogative. It's an interesting form of debate, though, avoidance.
Posted by watershed
2007-09-28 15:00:35
September 28, 2007 2:46 PM
"echo chamber" = WAH! He won't let me threadjack! WAH!
Someone put me down for noon tomorrow as the latest that wwjd returns.
Posted by jasamc
2007-09-28 15:08:13
Media Matters is a Soros arm to destabilize and overthrow American government for socialism. The guys involved may not be on board for the whole plan, but that's what its about.
Posted by Christopher_Taylor
2007-09-28 15:11:37
Posted by watershed
As I said before I cannot listen to the audio because it is filtered. I will not be able to listen to it until tonight.
If the audio does contain what you claim, then Limbaugh IS an asshole. People who join the military are aware what they will be doing and should not be criticized for it.
But that still makes you a hypocrite. Media Matters has deliberately falsified the title and the same site you referenced (HuffPo) accused Limbaugh of being a chickenhawk for supporting the war. If one is a chickenhawk for supporting the war then many on the HuffPo are chickenhawks themselves because they criticized Patraeus's speech without serving themselves.
Matt Sanchez is in Iraq right now and has posted conditions there, only to be attacked by some on the left who frequent this site. The real problem are those on the left who do far worse to the soldiers who believe they're in Iraq for a good reason.
Feel free to claim that I'm deflecting the issue, but I have already responded to your inquiry yet you still refuse to respond to the initial topic.
Posted by Kingfisher
2007-09-28 15:16:02
Fine, let's take it apart line by line:
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.
Okay, right here, the caller is talking about the "soldiers" who tell outright lies to the media - much like Macbeth.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
Here is where Limbaugh is calling those liars "phony soldiers"
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
General agreement. Explaining further the difference between people who join the military to serve their country and those who run to the media with their lies.
LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --
Intimating that those young kids who join nowadays are doing so through the prism that is the WoT.
CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah.
Again, general agreement.
LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.
Discussing how anyone who joins the military these days KNOWS that they are going to end up in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Posted by jasamc
2007-09-28 15:17:07
You can refuse to discuss anything you wish that you disagree with, that's of course your prerogative. It's an interesting form of debate, though, avoidance.
Posted by watershed
You're proving our point. You're trying (unsuccessfully) to nitpick Limbaugh's words.
You're very quick when you criticize Limbaugh for being wrong (for the correct reasons) but you're very slow when it comes to criticizing your fellow libs.
I will call your bluff. I think condemnation of ALL badmouthing of the troops is in order. I am not holding water for ANYONE who does so.
Posted by watershed
I'll believe it when you mention specific groups or names on the left.
Posted by Kingfisher
2007-09-28 15:20:03
September 28, 2007 3:17 PM
Thanks for spelling it out for watershed, my man, although you probably only wasted your time.
Posted by Good_Ol_Boy
2007-09-28 15:39:47
September 28, 2007 2:46 PM |
Per a suggestion that came from Mr. Hawkins himself, I have rules posted on my blog, and those who violate them have their comments deleted and their IPs banned.
It's a basic necessity for bloggers today.
Has anyone tried to post a pro-conservative viewpoint at DU these days? It won't be successful, and the loonies at DU have every right to delete these comments, as they are based in the truth, which they do not honor. They explicitly forbid conservative commentary in their rules.
I didn't see the comment in question, but I know what Hawk deletes and what he doesn't. If your comment got deleted, I have no doubt you had it coming.
RWR
www.rightwingrocker.com
Posted by RightWingRocker
2007-09-28 15:45:26
Were any of you involved earlier this week in the thread about open marriages, where I took the opposing side?
I don't remember any of MY comments being deleted. I also don't anticipate anyone disrespecting me in the future for it. In fact, I remember the discourse being quite respectful, despite the passionate positions I know people around here hold with regard to things like that.
WWJD, you are a fool. A fool who has no concept of how to present an argument. For this, you will lose every time.
RWR
www.rightwingrocker.com
Posted by RightWingRocker
2007-09-28 15:50:12
Not every soldier who speaks out against the war is a Jesse MacBeth. To equate every soldier that disagrees with the war with him is the insult. You see? You belittle the service of every soldier who does indeed disagree with this war.
And again, he has referred to other soldiers who disagree with the war in this way. This is not new.
Please refer once again, to this clip.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...lls-ira_n_66333.html
Posted by watershed
2007-09-28 16:09:11
That's exactly what Rush was talking about.
YOU are saying that. Rush did not.
Translation: you must believe me, because I wrote it!
I heard this live when Rush said it. I had NO question in my mind at the time what Rush was talking about. It didn't even cross my mind that he was including every dissenting soldier. It was CRYSTAL CLEAR that he was referring to the phony soldiers that the left marches out in front of the media. When I heard about the controversy this morning, it was all I could do to stop from laughing, it is so absurd.
Play word games all you like, and rephrase/recut as much as you can. Rush did NOT say anything more than what you heard, as much as you would like to believe it to be so.
Posted by LoneWolf
2007-09-28 16:38:17
September 28, 2007 4:38 PM
Sadly, watershed is another phony who is trying to smear Limbaugh simply because he hates Limbaugh.
Even if Limbaugh said everything watershed claims, let's compare Limbaugh's actions with those on the left:
- Has Limbaugh ever falsely accused soldiers of being Nazi's? No.
- Has Limbaugh ever falsely accused soldiers of crimes committed in Iraq (like Haditha)? No
- Has Limbaugh ever tried to prevent military recruiters from speaking on campus? No
- Has Limbaugh ever spoke in support of the terrorists? No (qando.net/archives/002919.htm)
- Has Limbaugh ever made a quote similar to this: "We Support Our Troops When They Shoot Their Officers." No. (see previous link)
- Has Limbaugh ever referred to Patraeus as "Betray-Us"? No
- Has Limbaugh ever vandalized an ROTC office? No (www.academia.org/campus_report...2003/apr_2003_6.html)
There are plenty more examples but it doesn't matter to watershed. No matter what you claim about Limbaugh, the left has done far far worse and this idiot will continue to ignore those crimes.
Posted by Kingfisher
2007-09-28 17:11:20
That said, I think many on the Right do have contempt for soldiers who oppose the war and write about their opposition to the war. These soldiers are often called traitors - and I have to disagree.
Posted by Left_Turn
2007-09-28 17:25:43
Posted by Christopher_Taylor
2007-09-28 17:34:04
Hate begets hate I suppose.
Posted by mipt
2007-09-28 17:46:26
Posted by LoneWolf
2007-09-28 17:49:11
Posted by whatwouldJesusdo
September 28, 2007 2:46 PM |
Go change your panties crthns, and sack up.
Posted by Dick_Nixon
2007-09-28 17:53:17
True, the left does call soldiers traitors, baby killers, monsters, idiots and so on... oh sorry I misread.
Who calls the soldiers who oppose national policy traitors? Just one person would do. One name of a known conservative.
Posted by Christopher_Taylor
2007-09-28 18:12:47
That said, I think many on the Right do have contempt for soldiers who oppose the war and write about their opposition to the war. These soldiers are often called traitors - and I have to disagree.
Posted by Left_Turn
You are wrong! It is always liberals who criticize people in the Military.
Even when Conservatives disagree with a soldier opposed to the war.A Conservative will still always thank that soldier for serving despite the fact we disagree with them.
Even with Cindy Sheehan Conservatives consistently sided with her son who served and understood the pain Cindy went through because of the death of her son.
But we still say that she totally dis-honored her son's service to this country. And we stick behind that. But Cindy Shehan had every right to speak out and oppose the war.
Conservatives attacked her because of how she dis-honored her son's sacrifice not because she opposed the war.
It is Liberals who refuse to listen to or acknowledge the vast majority of soldiers in Iraq who want to stay and finish their work in Iraq.
We know about the minority of soldiers who want to not finish, but they signed up knowing they were going to go to war.
It is hard to agree with the soldier's opposing this war knowing this fact. But we still respect the job they are doing.And I know that Rush does too.
It is really laughable that liberals would try to make Limbaugh out to be a person slamming the troops. Limbaugh supports the troops everyday for the job they are doing in Iraq, even the troops who would like to not finish in Iraq.
Liberals are trying to slander Rush just like they always do. Ann Coulter wrote a book called "Slander" all about it years ago. You liberals should read it sometime.
Posted by abel
2007-09-28 19:05:20
I was just over on HotAir and viewed Limbaugh's rebuttal to the MediaMatters garbage. He made it quite clear that he was talking about Jesse MacBeth, and he played the morning update regarding the most infamous internet, "phony soldier."
The Democrats who refused to condemn a NEWSPAPER ad smearing General Petraeus, are getting their knickers in a twist about something Limbaugh didn't actually say on his radio program?
The double standard is unbelievable. I can only presume that MediaMatters has latched onto this, in desperation, to get the heat off of the Betray-us ad.
Yet another chapter in the, "freedom of speech for me but not for thee," liberal playbook.
Posted by JannyMae
2007-09-28 19:22:03
abel
Who calls the soldiers who oppose national policy traitors? Just one person would do. One name of a known conservative.
Joseph Farah is one.
Ever hear of a guy name John Kerry?
Do a simple google search for the words; John Kerry traitor.
What do you get? Liberal sites? Not unless they are commenting about Conservative sites that used the term frequently when he ran for President.
Here's http://64.233.169.104/search?q...n&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us">one
"It's time to call a spade a spade. Kerry is a traitor. What he did was treason. Period. End of story."
That doesn't sound like a Conservative being never critizing a soldier. Kerry was a soldier was he not?
Posted by Left_Turn
2007-09-28 20:36:23
I don't remember being pissed at him so it must not have happened!
Idiots. I think this is a good thing though. It showcases, once again, how CNN etc get all their talking points straight from a lying liberal website.
Posted by cheeseandbaconnet
2007-09-28 21:10:50
September 28, 2007 8:36 PM
We don't think Kerry is a traitor because he opposed the national policy. We think he is a traitor because his actions possibly caused the deaths of his fellow soldiers. Because he slandered them. Because he lied about them.
THAT'S why he's a traitor. Because his face time on national television was more important than the lives of those still fighting.
Posted by jasamc
2007-09-28 22:00:57
Senator Kerry is considered a traitor by many veterans and conservatives because of his actions after he gamed the system and got sent home from Vietnam after receiving three Purple Hearts under questionable circumstances.
First, while still an officer in the Naval Reserve, he travelled several times to Paris to meet with the North Vietnamese. He was prohibited by US law and the UCMJ from meeting with our enemies while still a member of the United States Armed Forces.
Second, he gave false testimony before Congress concerning attrocities he claimed to have personally witnessed and to have comitted himself. Some of the testimony was based on the "Winter Soldier" investigation, but much of the revelations during the "investigation" have proven to be phony, reported by "veterans" who never served int he military or who were never in Vietnam. At the time of his testimony he was still an officer in the Naval Reserve. His false testimony was "conduct unbecoming an officer." This testimony was admitted by the North Vietnamese as being benefitial to their war efforts, gave the North Vietnamese encouragement to continue fighting, and contributed to American deaths. Can you say "aiding and abetting the enemy?" I won't even go into the UCMJ violation of wearing military ribbons on a "fatigue" uniform.
Third, he was a member the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, while still a member of the Naval Reserve. He may have been present at a VVAW meeting in St Louis where assassination of number of Senators was discussed. While Senator Kerry's attendance at the meeting is in dispute, there are witnesses who stated that he was in attendance. If he was, as a Naval Reserve officer, he had the duty to report the discussion about assassinating US Senators. If he was present, he did nothing.
Many current and former military members and veterans (count me as one), believe that as a result of these treasonous activities, LT Kerry received a less than honorable discharge from the Navy. Of course, he has failed to release his military records, although he promised to do so, so we will probably never know.
Posted by A-10
2007-09-28 22:58:20
I attacked her for opposing the war on the basis of her unrelated hate for anyone and everyone opposed to her socialist agenda.
Anyone who took the time to read her "letter" could see that she was about as sincere as Adolf Hitler.
RWR
www.rightwingrocker.com
Posted by RightWingRocker
2007-09-29 00:02:58
I wish it were unbelievable.
It's unfortunately par for the course, and it's beyond believable.
It's PREDICTABLE.
RWR
www.rightwingrocker.com
Posted by RightWingRocker
2007-09-29 00:05:33
Trouble is, the phony soldiers he was talking about are primarily the one, Jesse something, who was booted out at about 40 days of BOOTCAMP, and NEVER was deployed anywhere!
Another was proven to not even be in the military, EVER, and never was over there, either as miliatry or as civilian support!!!
"Winter Soldier"-ing sort of thing!
Dim hogwash. Like Jason Blair.
He admits there are military troops who are in dissent, but he doesn't call them "phony".
One of the "info-babes" asked for an interview with Rush, and the screener, NOT RUSH, said, "well, it would help if you had an audience..." Rush was flabberghasted that he said that.
The DRIVE-BY MEDIA is getting NO SYMPATHY from Rush's FANS for this blatant distortion - so if they THINK they are going to win votes this way, it is pathetic.
Posted by Rose
2007-09-29 00:30:26
Posted by Left_Turn
September 28, 2007 8:36 PM |
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And Hanoi John, the SELF-APPOINTED, UNAUTHORIZED "AMERICAN" ambassador to the Viet Cong "Peace Talks" in Paris is indeed a traitor, isn't he?
So yes, we are willing to criticize a soldier, when it is called for.
Unlike Democrats, who won't criticize a soldier unless he is a true American hero, and won't praise a soldier unless he IS a CERTIFIABLE TRAITOR.
Posted by Rose
2007-09-29 00:42:29
September 28, 2007 10:58 PM |
In short, conservatives consider Kerry a traitor because he committed treason.
Posted by mightysamurai
2007-09-29 02:11:50
You didn't say "people on the right call those who give aid and comfort to the enemies of the US in time of war traitors" you said quite clearly that people on the right called soldiers traitors for opposing national policy.
Name one, or retract your statement.
Posted by Christopher_Taylor
2007-09-29 14:27:48
If the democrats have an issue with what Limbaugh said maybe they could explain their votes on the Stolen Valor Act that was passed unanimously???
Posted by cheeseandbaconnet
2007-09-30 18:32:24
Posted by cheeseandbaconnet
2007-09-30 18:35:02
My first clue Macbeth's story was phoney was his recounting when he and others attacked a mosque and hung bodies from the rafters. I distinctly remember accounts of our soldiers taking sniper fire from mosques (weapons caches) and couldn't retaliate, return fire, or even enter the mosque to flush out the sniper. I was livid hearing about those ROEs.
Another thought though, Macbeth probably studied Kerry's Winter Soldier speech to Congress and decided he could do the same thing, get elected to the Senate or House, at the very least. He could live off taxpayer money, lobbyist graft and/or bribes (redundant for lobbyist graft) without ever having to work a job for the rest of his life.
As far as the soldiers IN COUNTRY complaining about the war, Rush also noted that some of them enlisted knowing they were going to that theater. They don't really have a gripe other than the ROEs as far as I'm concerned. There is a saying that if a soldier/airman/marine (hell, I'll include them all) isn't griping, you'd better check his pulse because he's probably dead.
I know I did enough p*ssing and moaning during my 23 years!
Posted by MSgt_Gumby_Ret
2007-09-30 19:30:57