Iraq Vets Against the War, a liberal veterans group, is actually encouraging people to prank, lie to, manipulate military recruiters in an effort to waste their time.
Some of their suggestions include,
Is your enemy the state? Befriend a recruiter and keep your friends close and your enemies closer!…This campaign is not about (badgering?) recruiters. It is solely about making friends and finding out more about the military that you don't trust…
Actions to take:…
Prank-call a recruiter to schedule appointments on the other side of town.
Ask a recruiter to pick you up and then tell them you're hungry.
Ask a recruiter to take you out to eat.
This just goes to show you that even the decency and honor that's drummed into the troops when they serve can be eaten away by the corrosive effects of liberalism.
Hat tip to Hot Air for the story.
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Posted by Glibertarian
2007-09-18 09:43:38
-John Hawkins
I don't think so. These liberals didn't lose their decency and honor; they never had it in the first place. What kind of soldier would do those kinds of things to their military and to their country?
I wonder how many of the people making these suggestions were dishonorably discharged for insubordination?
Posted by gwgmer
2007-09-18 09:45:29
September 18, 2007 9:45 AM |
I couldn't agree more...
Posted by Ipwnallah
2007-09-18 09:49:57
Posted by gwgmer
September 18, 2007 9:45 AM
Odds are if you were dishonorably discharged, you're also in prison. I would say more along the lines of Bad Conduct Discharges and various administrative discharges.
Posted by sabiticus
2007-09-18 09:53:37
Because I have a problem believing that anyone who has sworn an oath to defend America against all enemies, both foriegn and domestic, could ask this perplexing bit of rhetoric:
Or use this description:
I don't know, y'all, I'm not saying that 'Iraq Vets Against the War' is phony, but the idioms they're using just don't sound legit to me.
Posted by Good_Ol_Boy
2007-09-18 09:53:49
Posted by Raposa
2007-09-18 10:09:50
What gets me pissed off however is the disproportionate amount of press organizations like this that meet the left & MSM's agendas (I know they are one and the same) get over the often much larger groups that don't share those agendas. I mean do you ever wonder why we get to hear the opinion of every small group of angry nutbags that hate Bush or the war, but never see coverage of the overwhelming majority that do not share those feelings? And I never buy the argument that a soldier that dissents is news, but one that doesn't is not. Especially when the only time that what these "dissenters" say is news worthy, is when they help the left's agenda.
Posted by AlexinCT
2007-09-18 10:12:09
From my experience with recruiters, they'll give their spiel but aren't going to waste a lot of time if you don't show genuine interest. Besides, who's the real loser here, the recruiter who is getting paid to do his job, or the loser liberal that is wasting his own time calling and riding around with recruiters?
As the link points out, interfering with the recruitment of soldiers is a federal offense. I wonder how one of these monnbat "pranksters" would feel when a US Prosecutor gives them a call one morning and tells them they're looking at 20 years?
Posted by Mike_M
2007-09-18 10:20:01
VVAW (?)
IIRC, most of them turned out to be fakes.
Posted by n_obrain
2007-09-18 10:24:28
Posted by bjlillo
2007-09-18 10:29:55
I suspect there is.
The last two seem like something a military recruiter wouldn't even do in the first place (I'm sure they'd sit down and have a meal with you to discuss the benefits of enlistment, but I doubt they'd pay for your food). The first one, however, may (I'll stress, may) be a violation of the Telecommunications Act of 1996.
Posted by mightysamurai
2007-09-18 10:31:00
Posted by sabiticus
September 18, 2007 9:53 AM |
Ah, my error, eh? Thank you for correcting me!
Posted by gwgmer
2007-09-18 10:33:08
My recruiter paid for my lunch a couple of times. I believe we went to such fine dining establishments as McDonald's and China Buffet though.
Posted by bjlillo
2007-09-18 10:33:12
That is because on the whole the leftist mindset is incompatable with military service. If you hate having rules, resent authority figures, and think that rules/laws are sugestions rather than guidelines you are not going to be a very good soldier.
It was my exerience that while most soldiers are very patriotic individuals, many (especially in the lower ranks) and pretty apolitical. However those that do pay attention to politics tend to have a conservative outlook. Do leftists serve? sure. Even Kos seems to have been in the service for a time. However they are decidedly in the minority, and they rarely can stomach sticking around long enough to make the military a career.
The guys who testified at "Winter Soldier"? Most of them were as authentic as the vagrants you see standing on the street corner with signs saying "homeless vietnam vet".
"Trench Raider"
Posted by trenchraider
2007-09-18 10:35:17
www.ivaw.org/view/profiles
Posted by NORSEMAN
2007-09-18 10:35:17
True, but "ask[ing] a recruiter to take you out to eat" suggests a slightly more expensive meal. I don't think I've ever heard someone describe being treated to a free Big Mac as being "taken out to eat".
Posted by mightysamurai
2007-09-18 10:40:57
Wouldn't taking a fresh young recruit out to eat at McDonalds fall under the "Cruel and Unusual punishment" clause? ;)
And BTW, John Kerry did not just accuse his fellow soldiers of committing war crimes during th "Winter Soldier" hearings, he addmitted to those war crimes himself.
And was never held accountable!
Posted by StanW
2007-09-18 10:45:36
Posted by President_Friedman
2007-09-18 10:50:42
Prank-call a recruiter to schedule appointments on the other side of town.
Ask a recruiter to pick you up and then tell them you’re hungry.
Ask a recruiter to take you out to eat.
Why is it that the left's answer to so-called "deception by the state" is always to deceive others?
Posted by Kingfisher
2007-09-18 10:54:30
September 18, 2007 10:50 AM |
Good point. Ya get a few in every crowed. How's Sandy doing? Has she redeemed herself or did the horse teach her a lesson??
Posted by ninerdog
2007-09-18 10:59:50
Yeah, I've met that type before too. They are an enigma to me, and not in a good way.
Here you have a fellow that openly admits to hating the US government, and yet he has served under its athority and his every need provided for by it for years... now that's just plain odd to me.
Posted by Good_Ol_Boy
2007-09-18 11:02:13
Remember, we are talking about people who are spending their day lying to recruiters. I'm not sure how much time that would leave for a professional existence.
Posted by bjlillo
2007-09-18 11:05:27
Perhaps he might accompany you to Taco Bell...
Posted by Mike_M
2007-09-18 11:17:58
September 18, 2007 11:02 AM |
You know, for a long time, my attitude about military people was greatly influenced by that guy, and by Tim McVeigh. The OKC bombing happened when I was just a few years out of high school. The people I knew from my youth who had joined the service were mostly juvenile delinquents, to be honest. I thought the military was comprised mostly of criminal thugs and dangerous anarchist types.
It wasn't until a few years later, when I met up with some of those same guys from my youth, and saw what fine men they been turned into, that I changed my thinking.
Posted by President_Friedman
2007-09-18 11:22:45
They tried to open one of those Taco Bell's in my neighborhood, but we got it stopped.
With all the trouble we have with SouthWestern Bell, we didn't need no danged Mexican phone company in here!
{/sarcasm off}
Posted by StanW
2007-09-18 11:24:41
September 18, 2007 11:22 AM
By the way P_F, congrats on getting noticed by Fred Thompson. Now that you're a celebrity, it's nice to know that you still like to talk to us common folk. ;-) ;-) ;-)
Posted by Kingfisher
2007-09-18 11:31:29
She's fully recovered and has been giving the horses a wide berth. I think part of the problem was that we got rid of all our cows last year, so she doesn't have anything to do. I am going to be feeding out 4 angus heifers for friends and family over the fall, so she'll have something to keep her busy.
Posted by President_Friedman
2007-09-18 11:34:11
LMAO. What a bunch of pathological lying jagoffs.
Posted by Good_Ol_Boy
2007-09-18 11:35:53
I went to high school with this kid that was a skinhead before he went into the Army. When I ran into him a few years later I didn't even recognize him, and I'm not just talking about physically. The transformation was nothing short of astounding. Now this was a guy that I'd been in several fist-fights with, but he had matured to the point where the two of us sat down for a beer and apologized to each other; it was truly amazing.
He's a Ranger, btw, and last I heard he was trying to get into the Green Berets.
Posted by Good_Ol_Boy
2007-09-18 11:44:42
Damn liberal press!
Posted by BrightHorizons
2007-09-18 12:28:23
Actually I did, and didn't see it or hear it on CSPAN. I just dismissed it like the last time and the time before that and the time before that when 100,000 dipsticks marched on washington. What's your non-point?
Posted by Ipwnallah
2007-09-18 12:34:56
September 18, 2007 12:28 PM
No deflections please. But while I've got your attention, allow me to ask: Do you find these tactics the least bit sleazy or are they A-OK by you?
Posted by Good_Ol_Boy
2007-09-18 12:36:20
Was that the same group that defaced the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial?
And where was the 100,000 estimate from? The march organizers? This is probably some more of the Million-Man-March-Math.
Posted by StanW
2007-09-18 12:45:29
Posted by BrightHorizons
September 18, 2007 12:28 PM |
You mean one of those protests that happens about once a month? The one that ORGANIZERS claim had 100K, but these guys ( http://www.metimes.com/storyvi...0070916-103122-6235r ) says was closer to 25K? The protest that the media covered from the AP to UPI?
Are you really that stupid?
Posted by bthewolf
2007-09-18 12:47:37
Questions you already know the answer to, you don't need to ask.
Posted by StanW
2007-09-18 12:51:24
That's about the same number of people that attended the USC-Nebraska game on Saturday.
Quick call Dan Rather!
Posted by Mike_M
2007-09-18 12:57:58
Posted by StanW
September 18, 2007 12:51 PM |
It was rhetorical. A word too big for BHs vocabulary!
Posted by bthewolf
2007-09-18 13:01:54
Quick call Dan Rather!
Posted by Mike_M
September 18, 2007 12:57 PM |
If ANSWERs estimate is valid, color me skeptical(see my above post)!
There were prolly more people watching high school football in the DC area Friday night, than there were protestors Saturday.
Posted by bthewolf
2007-09-18 13:09:02
Posted by Ipwnallah
2007-09-18 13:15:41
September 18, 2007 1:15 PM |
Almost 200 were arrested according to the media reports I read, the ones BH couldn't seem to find.
Posted by bthewolf
2007-09-18 13:21:32
September 18, 2007 1:21 PM |
I see B_H supports disturbing the peace. He also supports the hypocrisy displayed by yelling and screaming against war, but being arrested for inciting a riot. Thats your party B_H. The party of complete hypocrisy and conflict. Liberals love conflict and can't get enough of it. How does that make you feel? Supporting such hypocrisy?
Thanks.
Posted by Ipwnallah
2007-09-18 13:30:46
What's it like to be wrong every time you post?
1) It was several thousand not a hundred thousand.
2) It was covered extensively by the media including this article linked by that bastion of liberalism, The Drudge Report.
http://apnews.myway.com/articl...70916/D8RMHE100.html
3) It's Beuller not Buehler.
Posted by Glibertarian
2007-09-18 14:18:42
Posted by BrightHorizons September 18, 2007 12:28 PM
No, sorry missed it. I was busy this weekend on productive tasks, not waste my time shouting anti-American slogans with a group of losers.
That protest was like every protest before it--it accomplished nothing. It only made liberals feel good about themselves.
So BH so how many troops are coming home because of this protest? Oh, I'd say ZERO.
Posted by Kingfisher
2007-09-18 14:31:06
By the way, the 100,000 count is yet another overblown "lets inflate the numbers" special from International A.N.S.W.E.R. In the past it's been safe to cut their estimates by a factor of 2-10.
Posted by Christopher_Taylor
2007-09-18 14:53:32
Lame.
Posted by Christopher_Taylor
2007-09-18 16:23:51
Employment, bathing, not committing vandalism. All foreign concepts to the gathered dozens of greasy hippies that soiled DC this weekend.
Posted by Mike_M
2007-09-18 16:26:04
I hate it when they all decide to simply ignore a thread.
Posted by Good_Ol_Boy
2007-09-18 17:13:10
Capitol Police, who do this for a living, estimated the crowd at 25K. A far cry from what you claim. The propensity to exaggerate is exactly what hurts the anti-war crowd.
On topic, I DO know several recruiters(but, thank God, have never had to work as one). They have such pressure to sign folks, that if they can't close the deal quickly, they will move on. These people might get a foot in the door, but they won't stay long when they refuse to sign.
BTW, it would be friggin hilarious if some of these guys get pushed into signing(recruiters can be awfully persuasive and pressure very well) and then end up at Basic Training. I would laugh my ass off.
Posted by RtWingNtCase
2007-09-18 19:06:15
Oh, and if you don't like the word "treason", here are some synonyms that might be more appropriate;
crime, deceit, deceitfulness, deception, disaffection, dishonesty, duplicity, faithlessness, lese majesty, mutiny, perfidy, revolt, revolution, sedition, seditious act, seditiousness, subversion, traitorousness, treachery
These traitors amaze me with their sheer arrogance. Because they think they are in the right, they honestly believe that they can can pick and choose what laws apply to them! That mindset is rampant among liberals because they honestly think they know better than you. Hell, look at some of the trolls on this forum - unbridled arrogance oozes from them. It's the kind of thinking that makes it okay for them to literally spit on our troops, or vandalize houses with Republican signs out front. Disgusting.
Posted by Bone
2007-09-19 04:26:13